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Whirling disease

Discussion in 'Disease and Illness' started by Graham C, Jan 1, 2017.

  1. Graham C

    Graham C Active Member

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    Had no experience of whirling disease and have no wish to but does this article rule out mussels as the culprit? Can I start using them again?
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    The article does not go into any real detail offering several possibilities for causing whirling, all reliant on secondary infection although it does lean towards a parasitic foundation as the most likely cause.
    It only briefly mentions food introduced toxicity as a possible cause but not mussels specifically.
    Personally, I still believe what we see as whirling is neither true whirling and nor is it caused by one single thing but has a root caused by various factors ranging from water quality, introduced toxicity or bacterial infection to name but a few. I have lost quite a few fish over time, from different sources, and only when I had already checked for water quality and bacterial infection did I cut out mussel meat and have lost none since. Not scientific, but it'll do for me and I'll not be returning to using it even though I know a few on here use it with no issues reported.
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    Only time my Discus were infected ,it was water related. I failed to change one of my membranes
    Changes both membranes and no more trouble
    If you are thinking of up grading your RO change all membranes ,then you have a better idea when to change them.
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    Likewise, I'm slightly dubious about the parasitic link, although who knows, we might be looking at a spectrum of diseases that manifest in similar symptoms. I lost three discus to this not long after setting up my tank. Diet at the time was a mixture of FD blackworm, occasional live white worms, and a mussel-containing mixture sold as an alternative to beefheart. I decided to remove my 3D background, where crud visibly accumulated despite water readings appearing to be fine, significantly increased the volume of my water changes, and generally improved tank maintenance. This appeared to solve the problem, even after I re-introduced the mussel containing mixture. Hence, I suspect the problem was down to water quality, but perhaps a bacterial/microbial issue rather than chemical (equally, if the former, neither metronidazole nor acriflavine cured the stricken fish). I've used another commercial mix for the past 12-18 months that contains mussel and beefheart without any problems, but never feed whole or chopped mussels - just in case!
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    As an aside, the orange coloured fish that I use in my profile pic was one of the ones that I lost to whirling!
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    Shame, bonnie fish too :(
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    Interesting Mark. Never fed mine tubifex but they may well have been by the breeder/supplier. Would be interesting to know if anyone who has bred and kept the resultant fish, but never feeds tubifex, has ever had a problem with this.
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    Never fed Tubifex ,I have add trouble with Discus Wirling.
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    Same here
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    I guess we can't solely blame tubifex for this one then!

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